ray winstone 5:37 Tue Oct 20
British Steel
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The End.
Thanks CAMERON.
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Hammer-n-nails
6:40 Wed Oct 21
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Judas Priest. Farming spulchucker ! Grrrrrr
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Hammer-n-nails
6:39 Wed Oct 21
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Judah Priest's best album !
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Mike Oxsaw
6:02 Wed Oct 21
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, 8:07 Tue Oct 20
I don't disagree with any of that.
Meddling politicians & civil servants who "knew best", simply on account of where they got their certificates, held back British management for decades.
It's almost as if the elite in British society only ever understood "divide & conquer" as a policy for success in every walk of life.
The Germans got it right, and continue to do so (this VW emissions scandal is all down to US inspired greed).
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After8
12:35 Wed Oct 21
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The other thing I will point out is that the unions have been campaigning for higher energy prices.
The GMB are a partner in the Trade Unions for Energy Democracy group, which lobbies for stricter regulation for fossil fuel industries.
Unite are part of the “Climate, Justice and Jobs” march in London later this month.
Nothing like a dose of hypocrisy is there?
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Spandex Sidney
10:26 Tue Oct 20
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The Government can't subsidise the Industry under EU law but they can subsidise our new stadium!
Thanks Blair!
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After8
10:24 Tue Oct 20
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How?
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mongo
9:54 Tue Oct 20
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Corbs would have sorted this mess out
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1964
9:30 Tue Oct 20
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State aid? I bet CAST are all over this.
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After8
9:02 Tue Oct 20
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I would also point out the Government cannot subside the industry due to EU laws. So if you want the government to step in and start buying private companies you need to vote to leave the EU.
A lot of trade unions understand this.
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After8
9:00 Tue Oct 20
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It is very sad but what do you want the government to do? Buy a steel works?
Unfortunately you are always going to have people who find that they lose their jobs. It's horrible. It's happened to me. It's happened to family members who lost their jobs in the recession.
And all the warm words in the world won't help the steel worker who is now in unemployment benefit.
Of course it is shit. No one says it isn't.
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zebthecat
8:54 Tue Oct 20
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, 8:07 Tue Oct 20
The germans have, in fact, always paid their industrial workers more than equivalent workers in the UK and unions in Germany are very strong thanks to the Marshall plan (unions reps on the board etc.). The difference has been in the management - both corporate and in the unions.
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theaxeman
8:54 Tue Oct 20
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We have had massive underinvestment in these heavy industries for decades and now we haven't got any left. Clyde ship builders the envy of the world were operating with victorian equipment while the Koreans were knocking out ships in modern refitted yards. The same applies to the steel industry but never mind the Chinese are flocking here to spend thier yen in Bicester Village.
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1964
8:48 Tue Oct 20
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" ....people from Redcar have an advantage in that they almost speak English."
Ha Ha Ha Ha
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Nurse Ratched
8:38 Tue Oct 20
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"As I'm unaware of the wonderful employment opportunities in places like Redcar perhaps you could enlighten us as to what training we could do, for how long, at what cost etc."
Maybe they should move away from Redcar to an area with better opportunities. It's what people from the third world do. They move to London Redcar is closer to London than Manilla is, and people from Redcar have an advantage in that they almost speak English.
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,
8:07 Tue Oct 20
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Mike, to hide behind the unions being at fault for the failings of British industry is both simplistic and blinkered right wing in thought.
Generally with the big metal bashing industries we have needed to pay second/ third world wages to compete. With other things such as the automotive industries it was nothing to do with unions we were simply out engineered and out developed by the competition. The Germans have always paid similar wages to their car workers yet they have survived and prospered. The stand out fact is that our management of these uncompetitive industries has been amateurish at best.
Unions have never helped but inept management has played a fundamental part in UK failures to compete.
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Mike Oxsaw
7:56 Tue Oct 20
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, 7:43 Tue Oct 20
The unions didn't help: if your labour costs are higher than your competitors and you can't improve efficiency by reducing those costs, either through lower wages or higher productivity, then you're never going to be able to shift your product and the company will fold.
Remind me again about the continuing success stories of all those British industries that had "strong" trade unions grabbing higher & higher wages, "looking after" their members.
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,
7:50 Tue Oct 20
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Are you pre judging these steel workers?
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Far Cough
7:50 Tue Oct 20
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Steed Malbranque
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Mike Oxsaw
7:48 Tue Oct 20
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comma, I'm doing that sort of thing at the moment, only the people I'm working with don't think anything's below them when it comes to earning a crust.
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1964
7:47 Tue Oct 20
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Or how about Steel Malbranque
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1964
7:46 Tue Oct 20
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How about blaming David Steel
He's as good as any
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